china with its massive force expansion, building a world capable force projection capability. we have the russians modernizing the russian forces. we still have the iranian problem totally unresolved, north korea always a flashpoint. look at the middle east. anything far from being settled there. and let me take that navy as an example, which will be illustrative of the other forces and what itwill do to the navy. it will take the vy and drive it down to the smallest force it has had since prior to world war one. not world war ii lou. world war one. lou: you know, i'm sorry, admiral. when governor romney said that, pointed that out to president obama in the debate, he was -- we had horses and bayonets, too. he seemed to make light of that. how important is it? can you give us a sense of the impact? >> i think the president's comment is showing his inexperience in military matters. in this particular case we are going downto 220 ships. to put that number in perspective, i ha 2505 ships under my command in the pacific fleet's. 20 percent ofthose 220 ships will be the literal combat ship

by using cheaper labor in china. china's also got middle managers to run the factories. chinese workers have been trained in skilled positions for decades. those same skilled positions have nearly vanished here in the united states. and chinese labor is the reason apple can afford to train americans and pay american wages right now. look at this apple's net income. $41.7 billion over the last 4 quarters. that ain't bad. in fact, that's almost $7 billion more than the next six companies combined. microsoft, ebay, google, yahoo! facebook, and amazon. they can't keep up. cheap chinese labor helped apple make almost $50 billion in the next fiscal quarter, alone. those profits allow apple to finally do the right thing. they're going to hire more americans. the ceo says he feels the company has a responsibility to create jobs. we wish more ceos would show that economic patriotism. it's a heck of a start. let's bring in e.j. dionne, msnbc contributor and "washington post" columnist and author of the book "our divided political heart." e.j., we need more stories like this. what kind of skilled

the treaty including china and russia. the treaty is modelled after existing u.s. law. former senator bob dole is 89 years old. he just got out of the hospital yesterday. and today he kaim to the senate floor in a wheelchair to support the treaty. eight republicans and two independents voted for the treaty including john mccain. but it wasn't enough. the treaty failed 61-38. >> it was solid then. he means it. and i think the organizing around it is so important. the labor movement, consumer groups, women's groups. >> i'm joined by a columnist for the nation magazine and howard fineman, msnbc political analyst. great to have you with us. howard, you first. when bob dole comes to the senate and he can't move people, where is the common sense? >> the senate is lost. that's the way i would put it. bob dole, one of the most revered figures. he's almost literally on his death bed a week or two ago. who commoned the courage to come to the senate to be the conscious on something he championed in 1990. this was senator bob dole, a republican. president george h. bush, republican. dick thorneberg,

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